TEGNA Inc. (NYSE:TGNA) Q3 2023 Earnings Conference Call November 7, 2023 10:00 AM ET
Company Participants
Julie Heskett – Senior Vice President Financial Planning & Analysis & Head of Investor Relations
Dave Lougee – President & Chief Executive Officer
Victoria Harker – Chief Financial Officer
Conference Call Participants
Dan Kurnos – The Benchmark Company
Steven Cahall – Wells Fargo
Craig Huber – Huber Research Partners
James Goss – Barrington Research
Operator
Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to TEGNA’s Third Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speakers’ presentations, there’ll be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised that today’s conference is being recorded.
I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Julie Heskett, Senior Vice President Financial Planning and Analysis, and Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
Julie Heskett
Thank you. Good morning and welcome to our third quarter conference call and webcast. Today, our President and CEO, Dave Lougee; and our CFO, Victoria Harker will review TEGNA’s financial performance and results and discuss TEGNA’s quarter-ahead outlook. After that we’ll open the call for questions.
Hopefully, you’ve had the opportunity to review our third quarter earnings results. If you have not yet seen a copy of the release, it’s available at tegna.com. Before we get started, I’d like to remind you that this conference call and webcast includes forward-looking statements and our actual results may differ. Factors that may cause them to differ are outlined in our SEC filings. This presentation also includes certain non-GAAP financial measures. We have provided reconciliations of those measures in the most directly comparable GAAP measures in the press release.
With that, let me turn the call over to Dave.
Dave Lougee
Thank you, Julie, and good morning, everyone. TEGNA’s third quarter results reflect our business plan, centered on continuing to enhance performance, optimizing operational efficiency and driving long-term value for our shareholders. We achieved a record third quarter for subscription revenue and saw sequential improvement in advertising and marketing services revenue, driven by improving trends in key verticals such as auto and services.
In addition to these strong underlying results, we also completed our initial $300 million of accelerated share repurchases or ASR. We completed that ASR at the end of August earlier than anticipated. Despite a limited trading window, we were able to quickly purchase shares opportunistically in the open market. This increases our capital commitment this year to return nearly $800 million to shareholders. I’ll talk more capital return actions and our advantaged positioning in a couple of moments.
Turning to third quarter results. Total company revenue finished in line with our guidance, down 11% year-over-year due almost exclusively to the reduction in political revenue from the mid-term election cycle last year. Excluding political, revenue was down just slightly year-over-year. As I mentioned, subscription revenue was a third quarter record and up just slightly year-over-year.
TEGNA subscription revenue continues to provide stable and predictable cash flows supported by contractual rate increases, partially offset by subscriber declines. We expect to reprice approximately 30% of our traditional subs by the end of this year, further improving visibility into our outlook.
Despite broader macroeconomic challenges, advertising revenue trends were sequentially better than the first two quarters of the year and that trend is continuing into the fourth. AMS revenue finished the quarter down 3% compared to the third quarter of last year. However, underlying advertising trends were basically flat year-over-year when adjusting for the Premion national account loss, we’ve discussed on prior calls.
Automotive, our largest category within AMS continues to improve and show strong year-over-year growth now for the fifth consecutive quarter. Auto was up 20% year-over-year in the quarter, also notably, Services our second largest category continues to be strong and was 15% year-over-year.
Looking ahead, 2024 will be a strong year of performance at TEGNA, with a very favorable portfolio of stations for political advertising in next year’s presidential Olympic cycle, as well as the Summer Olympic Games from Paris on our large NBC portfolio of stations and the Super Bowl on our large CBS portfolio, compared to last year’s much smaller Fox portfolio.
Turning to our capital allocation. We are enthused about the go-forward opportunity at TEGNA and building on our strong track record of returning capital to shareholders. Our industry-leading balance sheet and resilient financial performance, affords us the unique ability to return capital to shareholders, to share repurchases and dividends, while we simultaneously pursue organic initiatives and evaluate opportunistic bolt-on M&A to further augment our attractive growth outlook and opportunities. We’re on track to surpass our previously announced capital return to shareholders.
Following the completion of our initial $300 million ASR program earlier than anticipated as I said, we repurchased an incremental $28 million of shares in the open market, slightly just shortly before entering our blackout period. These repurchases were executed under our existing $300 million share repurchase program.
On our last earnings call, we announced the second ASR program of $325 million. That program is expected to commence shortly. The completion of these four steps, the two ASRs, the stock transferred to satisfy the $136 million deal termination fee and our recent opportunistic purchase of shares, will result in us retiring nearly $800 million worth of TEGNA shares.
Looking ahead, strong operating performance and disciplined use of free cash flow position us to continue to build on our capital return track record. As I said, we have an industry-leading balance sheet and that provides us that optionality. Even after both ASR programs and the incremental purchase of shares in 2023, we still expect to end the year with net leverage under three times.
Our strong free cash flow generation is expected to further strengthen next year due to the political Olympic and Super Bowl tailwinds I mentioned earlier. This offers additional flexibility, as we make capital allocation decisions across organic growth, both on M&A opportunities and returning capital to shareholders through share repurchases and our recently increased dividends.
Turning to strategic updates. In the quarter, we reached a comprehensive multiyear deal with ABC. This renews our ABC network affiliations in 13 markets across the country, which covers 9% of the US serving nearly 11 million households. Our partnership combines ABC’s popular entertainment sports and news program with our local — with our strong local stations and large audiences.
We believe, our successful negotiation with ABC, highlights the win-win long-term relationships we have with our programming partners. TEGNA’s local stations provide irreplaceable local news which is some of the most watched and trusted within the nation, coupled with leading programming — leading program from program partners like ABC, our platforms deliver scale audiences with strong engagement. The vast and powerful reach of broadcast distribution is enjoying a growing audience reach advantage over other far more fragmented competitors in ecosystem, most specifically cable channels and cable programmers.
One area that highlights that shift is what’s happening now with professional sports. With the existing RSN cable model in the final innings, the move of local sports from cable to broadcast is in the first inning of a new era. Professional sports teams and leagues are more acutely aware than anyone of this seismic shift in reach and distribution and are excited about the chance to reach all consumers, not just a smaller and smaller percentage of their addressable market. Along these lines, this quarter we announced that KENS, our station in San Antonio will exclusively air 11 San Antonio Spurs games during this broadcast season, with French sensation a number one draft pick Victor Wembanyama captured attention across the country and if not the globe. We’re thrilled to be the spurs broadcast partner for this year. As the current RSN bankruptcy proceeding plays out, look for more announcements to come. Given our large portfolio of strong stations in big sports home markets, we are very, very well positioned for this shift and opportunity in local sports.
Also in the third quarter, Locked On, our leading local sports digital network with daily shows for all four pro sports leagues and major college programs hit more milestones. Its audience has now gone past 27 million listens and views per month and we launched four local Locked On fast channels in the quarter with more slated to launch in the fourth quarter.
Daily Blast LIVE, our daily talk and trending topic show entered its seventh season this September. Now with a larger distribution footprint than ever. We’ve added 20 Sinclair markets and an additional Hearst market to our current footprint of 16 gray markets as well as all of the TEGNA station in our large reach, being our total reach to more than 55% of the US.
As the programming landscape continues to evolve, we believe Daily Blast LIVE’s efficient production model will increasingly offer broadcasters a sustainable option for their content needs while simultaneously delighting our audiences.
VERIFY, our national brand to combat this information ended the second quarter with – into the third quarter I should say, with approximately 467,000 followers across its various dedicated channels. Weekly VERIFY, this show increased for the fourth consecutive quarter with more than 2.8 million minutes watched across TEGNA station streaming apps during the third quarter. And about those streaming apps – our TEGNA station streaming apps now have reached 677 million minutes on streaming, a 78% increase year-over-year in the quarter. These apps are now available for all stations on Roku, Fire TV and Apple TV devices. And in the quarter we also started rolling out streaming – rolling out our apps for Samsung, LG, Chromecast and other platforms and expect to have all stations live on these platforms by year-end.
Delivering news that matters and impactful investigations that make a difference in people’s lives are the center of each and every one of our newsrooms. We’re very proud of the determination and resilience of our engaged employees that enables us to fulfill our mission every day.
A special congratulations and shout out to WWL, our station in New Orleans, they recently received a national News Emmy for their investigative reporting that shines a light on the deplorable living conditions for nursing home residents after hurricane Ida. Their investigation led to much needed law changes in Louisiana. The work we do changes lives and changes loss.
With that, I’ll now turn the call over to Victoria.
Victoria Harker
Thanks, Dave. Good morning, everyone and thanks for joining us. As you’ve already heard, we’ve achieved record third quarter subscription revenue and we continue to deliver sequential improvement in both advertising and marketing services revenue. We also successfully achieved all of our key revenue and expense guidance provided last quarter in line with expectations.
Before I drill down on drivers of our third quarter financial results, I’d like to reiterate both the Board and the management team’s focus and commitment to continued return of capital to our shareholders, as you’ve seen in our ongoing execution on those plans. As Dave mentioned earlier, we are very pleased that nearly $800 million in cash accumulated during the pendency of our transaction has been committed to share repurchases over the past six months. And as you’ve already seen, execution on that return of capital is well underway.
During the third quarter, we completed the initial $300 million accelerated share repurchase program on August 31, a few weeks earlier than we previously anticipated. The initial $300 million ASR program reduced TEGNA’s outstanding share count by approximately 18 million shares.
In addition, in the second quarter, approximately 9 million shares were retired through Standard General’s extinguishment of their termination fee obligation. As Dave mentioned, following the completion of the first ASR and before entering our third quarter blackout period on September 16, we opportunistically repurchased an additional $28 million or nearly 2 million shares in the open market.
As a result, total share reduction as of the end of the third quarter was $29 million. Beyond this, as announced in August, our second ASR program targeting $325 million in repurchases will kick off this week. As a result, of all of these actions, since the termination of the merger agreement in late May, TEGNA is committed to nearly $800 million in share repurchases through ASRs, the settlement of the merger termination fee and opportunistic repurchases in the open market.
As a result of this commitment, we expect approximately 45 million to 50 million shares to be retired by the end of March 2024 based on current market prices reflecting more than 20% of shares outstanding prior to us undertaking these actions. Additionally, following the termination of the merger agreement, the Board declared a 20% increase to the regular quarterly dividend, which was paid out for the first time in October.
As you’re also aware, we have an extremely strong balance sheet including low leverage and we are very well positioned to continue to return capital to shareholders through buybacks and dividends, while investing in organic growth and bolt-on M&A opportunities. We also have manageable debt with no near-term bond maturities until March of 2026 and all of our debt is fixed rate at a very attractive 5.2% on a weighted average basis.
We ended the quarter with total debt of $3.1 billion in cash of $553 million. As a reminder, our only financial covenant is a 4.5x leverage cap that applies to our undrawn $1.5 billion revolver. Net leverage ended the quarter at 2.61x. All of these well planned and executed actions highlight the strength of our balance sheet, which provides optionality around capital allocation decisions and continues to differentiate us in this current macroeconomic environment.
Now, let’s take a look at the drivers of our third quarter financial performance. My comments today are primarily focused on TEGNA’s performance on a consolidated non-GAAP basis to provide you with visibility into the financial drivers of our business trends as well as our operating results. You can find all of our reported data and prior period comps in our press release. For the third quarter, total company revenue was in line with our guidance range, down 11% year-over-year due almost exclusively to lower political revenue when compared to the midterm election cycle last year. Excluding political revenue, total revenue was down just slightly compared to the third quarter of 2022.
Our record third quarter was subscription revenue which increased slightly year-over-year was driven by subscriber rate increases from contractual rate escalators, partially offset by subscriber declines of mid single-digits. As we mentioned last quarter, we have an additional 30% of our traditional subs up for renewal by the end of this year. On the reverse comp side of the equation, we had previously stated we had approximately 60% of our Big Four subs up for renewal by year-end. We are pleased to announce we reached a comprehensive multiyear agreement renewal with ABC, representing roughly 20% of our Big Four subs. We also look to renew our agreement with NBC toward the end of this year.
Now, I’ll unpack the drivers of AMS performance in the third quarter and the drivers. AMS revenue finished the quarter down 3% compared to the third quarter of last year. Advertising trends were basically flat when adjusting for the previously disclosed loss of a single premium national account earlier this year.
Despite macroeconomic challenges, advertising revenue trends improved in the third quarter and were sequentially better than second. These gains were driven by improving trends in key verticals such as automotive, services, insurance, and packaged goods. As a reminder, the underlying advertising improvements began in second quarter and are continuing into the fourth.
Within AMS, we are thrilled to see our two largest advertising categories, automotive and services continued to perform well. Automotive advertising generated growth for the fifth consecutive quarter with third quarter up double-digits year-over-year. The services category was also up double-digits year-over-year with the strength in home services such as HVAC, electrical, pest control, and plumbing. Categories facing headwinds in the current macroeconomic environment include media telecom, restaurants, healthcare, and banking.
Now, turning to Premion. As you’ve heard over the prior quarters, Premion continues to strengthen its position in the convergent TV marketplace by winning additional local advertisers that are allocating larger spending dollars to streaming. During the quarter, Premion introduced programmatic selling capabilities, enabling agencies to leverage either managed services or hands-on keyboard buying workflow.
Similar to last year Premion revenue was down year-over-year, impacted by the loss of a single large national account. However, Premion’s primary focus is on the growth in local OTT revenue where is uniquely positioned to win. Premion local revenue was strong, up double-digits year-to-date.
As a reminder, the national account loss impacted AMS by two points in the first three quarters of the year. However, in the fourth quarter, the account impact will be four points on AMS given seasonality. We cycled the loss of this account at the beginning of 2024.
Looking ahead, 2024 will be a strong year at TEGNA, driven by favorable portfolio stations in key markets benefiting from a robust presidential election cycle, the Summer Olympics, and the Super Bowl.
TEGNA’s high-margin subscription and political revenues produce annuity-like EBITDA and free cash flow and carries more than 50% of our total revenues on a two-year basis.
Turning now to expenses for the third quarter. For the quarter, non-GAAP operating expenses of $576 million, finished in line with our guidance range, up 1% compared to third quarter last year, driven by higher programming fees.
Excluding programming costs, non-GAAP operating expenses for the quarter also finished within our guidance range, down 1% when compared to last year due to expense management and ongoing operational efficiencies.
Third quarter expenses coming out of the merger termination were slightly higher than previous run rate as we increase activity around employee development, recruitment, and retention, as well as our renewed strategic planning efforts. We expect fourth quarter year-over-year expense to be lower as well.
As expected, our third quarter adjusted EBITDA of $166 million was down 38% year-over-year, primarily driven by the absence of high-margin political revenue from midterm elections and higher programming costs.
We continue to generate strong free cash flow of $60 million during the quarter, driven primarily by our high-margin durable subscription revenues and the thoughtful management of our balance sheet as we’ve historically done.
Now, turning to 2023 outlook. As you saw in today’s third quarter release, we remain on track to meet all of our key guidance metrics for the full year and provide forward guidance for the fourth quarter and key financial metrics.
To help you model our near-term expectations, let’s walk through a few fourth quarter financial guidance metrics. As a reminder, we expect to be disproportionately impacted on a comparable basis in the fourth quarter by the absence of $179 million of high-margin political revenue from the mid-term election last year.
For the fourth quarter, we expect total company revenue to be down mid- to high teens percent year-over-year, primarily driven by the absence of political revenue, I just mentioned. Excluding political fourth quarter revenue is projected to be flat.
We forecast operating expenses in the fourth quarter to increase, in the low single-digit percentage range compared to fourth quarter 2022, driven by increased programming expenses. Including programming costs, we project fourth quarter operating expenses to be down low single-digit percent year-over-year.
Now turning to full year 2023. We’d like to reiterate that our full year 2023 guidance, elements in ranges remain the same as announced last quarter, and we remain on track to meeting or exceeding them. As a reminder, you can find our 2022 actuals for all of these metrics in our investor presentation on our website.
For the year corporate expense, is expected to be in the range of $40 million to $45 million. Depreciation is projected to be in the range of $60 million to $65 million, amortization is projected to be in the range of $53 million to $54 million. Interest expense is expected to be in the range of $170 million to $175 million.
We expect capital expenditures to be in the range of $55 million to $60 million. We forecast an effective tax rate in the range of 23.5% to 24.5%. Even after the impacts of both ASR programs and the incremental repurchase of shares in 2023, we continue to expect to end 2023 with net leverage below 3 times.
And with that I’ll now turn to Q&A to take your questions.
Question-and-Answer Session
Operator
[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Dan Kurnos with The Benchmark Company.
Q – Dan Kurnos
Thanks. Good morning. And Victoria, thanks for all of the numbers around the guide but I’m still just trying to sort of reconcile. I think sequentially understand a year-on-year basis, with political. But you said in Q3, ad trends were relatively flat year-on-year, ex the Premion national loss. And I know you called out a little bit more sequential impact due to seasonality in Q4 that’s fair.
We’ve heard that national for the local — the broadcast group has gotten a little better, and you guys talked about trends improving into Q4. Plus, you have an easier comp with crowd-out and political should step up sequentially. I know it’s — we’re still early for next year. So, just trying to sort of understand is there some conservatism in that guide? Is it just based on trends or bookings you’re seeing now, and just lack of visibility, because sub churn should also be maybe a little bit less sequentially in Q4 than Q3. So, just trying to get a sense of, how you guys are thinking about sort of the trends going into next quarter?
Dave Lougee
Hi, Dan, it’s Dave. I’ll just take the last one first around — I just — you mentioned the category talk about political. We’re not expecting any, frankly. We have a tremendous footprint for the year but we don’t have necessarily a, as good as our footprint is for a full year, we’ve never had a real big primary footprint. For early presidential primaries. So we don’t see maybe, some of those dollars otherwise. So we’ll do fine but that’s not where we have the most enthusiast about political. But I’ll let Julie, speak to the rest around underlying advertising.
Julie Heskett
Certainly. So, I will reiterate that the sequential trends are improving, continuing into fourth quarter. And you’re right, Dan, that you heard in third quarter normalizing underlying trends would have been flat year-over-year. So that will be better in Q4 and it’s included in our total revenue guide. The one impact also for your purposes is the Premion national business, which we’ve talked about all year long being a headwind to us it is a bigger adjustment in fourth quarter impact what it had been about two points all year long for second and third quarter is going to be more four points as Victoria said in the fourth quarter. So if you just do that math alone, right, roughly flat in Q3 you would be up mid-single digits in Q4.
Dan Kurnos
Okay. We can talk through a little bit more of the pieces off-line, but I get it and it’s good to hear sort of, I guess, the continuation of trends. On the expense side, I think this is a little bit of a surprise just out there maybe not maybe just me. But I just want to get a sense the Q4 guide is good in terms of underlying OpEx. You just did ABC, so I don’t know, David. I know, you won’t comment specifically on how the deal played out, but just how to think about the growth there? ABC and seen NBC which you have still coming up NBC of course a name coming up have been historically variable deals.
So I don’t know, how we should be thinking about the growth in reverse. But underlying, is there more OpEx efficiencies to be driven both in Q4 and then into 2024, excluding those programming costs? So just maybe take those two pieces would be super helpful. Thanks.
Dave Lougee
Well I’ll just speak to overall. As Victoria also mentioned, Dan that we do have some expense others might not have that are — that you referred to relative to the strategic issues of coming out of the failed acquisition. So we have been spending some dollars. It won’t be a permanent run rate, relative to some outside work some advisory work and the types of things that Victoria outlined. So they’re a point or two relative to that number, but we’ll have a little bit of that in fourth as well but most of that should burn off roll into next year.
And I would just say, we’re not guiding on expenses per se next year. And I’m not going to — given that we’ve got our largest reverse comp deal still to go Dan as you know, I’m not going to comment on numbers relative to reverse comp and programming expense but other than to say on that topic, relative to the network deals as I signaled on our two calls ago after we came out of the merger process that it was going to be a new dynamic relative to the realities of the business. And I just would stand by those comments.
Dan Kurnos
Okay. Got it. Thank you. Good to see guys, keep on desktop. Appreciate the color.
Operator
Our next question comes from the line of Steven Cahall with Wells Fargo.
Steven Cahall
Thanks. Dave maybe first just to follow on Dan’s question a little bit. So I know you and a lot of your peers have been consistent that the growth rate of reverse comp is lower than what it used to be that new paradigm that you talked about. I think, what a lot of us are trying to figure out is, what the key discussion points are when you’re talking to a network partner like ABC, who you just renewed or NBC that you have coming up in relation to how their streaming plans affect your business. Disney has been pretty clear that they intend to take sports direct to consumer. That has some impact on your ABC stations, and same with NBC. So wondering, if you could just help us frame how you think about the future and how you’re kind of defending against more especially sports content going on to streaming?
And then Victoria, you all had some discretionary Q3 share repurchases. What’s your appetite to continue down that path? Are you allowed to during the upcoming $325 million ASR or is that just something that you’ll kind of wait and see after the ASR where the stock price is? Thank you.
Dave Lougee
I’ll take the first one — first one first. I we have — as you know as we’re public about we have one large negotiation between now and year’s end. So I don’t think I’m going to get into commenting on what the discussion points are because I would really sort of just simply don’t want to comment during the negotiation period. But as I indicated on the last call obviously the exclusivity issues frank in the case of ABC ESPN and ABC, obviously, ESPN has been that exclusivity went away some time ago relative to ABC Disney yet it remains a value partner of ours. And so I think what I’d say is it’s all part of the value equation. When you say when they’re moving sports to streaming it’s not exclusive to streaming, right? They’re simulcast.
Sports broadcast will be the big marker for a very long time. And when you just look at the ratings that broadcast games do in the NFL. So I would just simply say — so the lack of exclusivity on sports that — some of which existed before but the newer versions that all become part of the value equation. So I know that probably is not helpful around numbers, but from a standpoint of how we think of it it’s just putting a value to what that reality is and then having a conversation that’s realistic based on an ecosystem that once was all about exclusivity. And when it’s not then that has a different value.
Victoria Harker
And to address the second portion of your question Steven, we use the opportunity. We had a window in time in which the ASR program — the first ASR program finished a few weeks early given some of the compression in the marketplace. So we have as you know an existing $300 million approval program to use opportunistically so we go into the market and use that window over time and execute on $28 million of share buyback then.
My expectation is that the Board will likely renew that going forward and we use it sort of opportunistically when we can and see those moments in time. But the ASR program two, which is the $325 million kicks off this week and that will be the primary initial set of buybacks during the quarter. And then what happened subsequent to that obviously we will then announce. But I just want to make sure we’re clear on that. We have that opportunistic program. We used it when we are in clear days when there are windows in time that we can actually get into the market and use them in the prices, right?
Steven Cahall
Great. Thank you.
Operator
Our next question comes from the line of James Goss with Barrington Research. James your line is now open.
Dave Lougee
You move on operator and see if James comes back on after the next.
Operator
Next question will come from the line of Craig Huber with Huber Research Partners.
Craig Huber
Yes. Hi. Thank you. My first question on Premion. I think you guys said last quarter it was down modestly which I’ll assume that means mid-single digits. Maybe just comment how it did in the quarter obviously you had the hit with the lost national account but just sort of frame that for us please.
Julie Heskett
Yes, Craig, it’s Julie. I’ll take that. The commentary would be exactly the same while total premium revenues are down modestly. Again the focus is on the local side of the business. So we know that national is down year-over-year but local is up year-to-date double-digits.
Craig Huber
Okay. Great. Thanks. In the past you guys have said your retrans subs down mid single digits year-over-year. Is that a similar trend we had in the third quarter?
Dave Lougee
Yes.
Victoria Harker
Yes.
Craig Huber
Okay. Thank you. And then in your mind, you guys have obviously been very aggressive here repurchasing stock, as you went through several times today. Is there anything that you’re thinking differently for next year? Obviously, you have a windfall make you all as local ad revenue next year. You’re obviously arguing that your stock price is quite low on investors would agree with that. Is there anything in your mind that you’re seeing out there on the macro side of things that would maybe preclude you from buying back a ton of stock next year to continue these, I guess, rolling ASRs however you want to think about it?
Dave Lougee
Hey, Craig, it’s Dave. I’ll just point to what Victoria said in her script is that we have the — the Board is — and management’s laser-focused on capital return, but because of our balance sheet, we have the optionality, as I said, to do what we need to do that it’s in the best use of return for shareholders with the ability of not foreclosing any avenue, right. And — but as we indicated, we are very focused on shareholder return in this environment. And we, obviously, like our balance need to be pretty strong given some uncertainty that’s out there.
Victoria Harker
And just to expand on that a little bit, as I mentioned in my script, we don’t have any maturity through 2026. Our first call option on that occurs night later in the fall of 2024. Given current interest rates, likely not financially wise for us to take advantage of that opportunity, but there’s no reason, we can’t do all of that.
So, looking at a potential recap on future maturities, we’ve got be the ability — the strength of the balance sheet to both manage those debt maturities recap is useful in the interest rate environment plus buyback shares and continue to do our dividend and invest organically, so all of it.
Craig Huber
And then my final question net retrans for this year, how you sort of think about that is going to shape up and we’re all said and down here down slightly modestly for the year, net retrans.
Victoria Harker
Yes. Craig we have not guided. And again, we’ve got negotiations coming up here in the fourth quarter that may impact that. So we’re not in a position to answer that at this time.
Dave Lougee
As you know, obviously, we had a lot of subs up and a large reverse comp deal. So we’re not going to in the middle of negotiations comment on anything on that.
Craig Huber
Okay. Thank you.
Operator
[Operator Instructions]. Our next question comes from the line of James Goss with Barrington Research.
James Goss
Okay. Thank you. Sorry about that last thing. I wanted to ask about a couple of things. One about the streaming apps. Obviously, this is a great way to try to offset the risk to some of the economics with the traditional cable and satellite platform. I’m wondering in terms of the various outlets you used between Roku or YouTube, there will be different types of economic implications. I wonder if you could talk a little more about how you’re viewing that and how things are developing along those lines.
Dave Lougee
Let’s say, James, it varies right? Because we — a lot of our major usage comes off of our own apps and our own without any to any third-party platform. So, it really varies on the platform, if it’s our own it’s obviously zero share. And then those deals look very different based on them. Some of them we feel good about, some of them we don’t love for the long term. But we go on for distribution in the short-term to get it out there. Some of them we’ve not done for — and baked into the question you’ve asked.
But I think that over time it will become a scale play and we will be — I think we are big. And then I think we’ll look for opportunities to get even bigger over time. I’m not signaling anything relative to anything big until 2024. But it’s — as you point out it’s a good opportunity for us. And frankly the programming cost is all pretty much incremental marginal cost over our existing operations. So it’s a win-win.
James Goss
Okay. A couple of other things. One with DBL. It’s gaining increased traction you’re at 55% of the country. Is there any consistency of the time slabs it’s applying? And can you talk about the economic level that you’re able to get with that particular effort?
David Lougee
I’m sorry, Jim you broke up could you just say that last part again?
James Goss
Yeah. With DBL gaining increased traction to 55% of the country. Can you talk about the consistency of the time slots that typically gets put into and what the economics are in terms of your value as you deal with other broadcasters, and distributing that service?
David Lougee
Yeah. I mean, mostly what we value we take the last part of that first, Jim, is we value the distribution as that distribution gets us audience and eyeballs, which then we can monetize over time. So as it relates to time slots, they’re almost exclusively right now in the afternoon time slot. They vary across markets. It varies a lot based on the makeup of that market the strength of that station. So I wouldn’t say any one time period. We have success stories in every time period. And in every time period there’s some places where we don’t do as well.
But bottom line is it’s a great model for us because like — as I think you know we produced that in Denver on a much lower cost model than lower if we did that in Hollywood. And it’s all additional distribution is crazy for us off of a pretty much a fixed expense run rate. So it’s a good play for us and we haven’t talked a lot about it in recent years, but it’s just been a great thing for us that’s continued to keep on giving.
James Goss
Okay. One last thing that hasn’t been talked about, ATSC 3.0. Even though the broadcasters seem pretty enthused about it, I think a lot of the TV sellers do not seem so enthused because they might have competing products and they may not want to have incurred the additional costs. And maybe the FCC could mandate inclusion. And I’m just wondering how you are looking at what your expectations are in terms of how it might fit in with you in particular with TEGNA?
David Lougee
Yeah, I can’t speak to what or why people say what they say. But I would simply speak for ourselves and consistent with what I’ve said in the past Jim is that we very much believe it’s opportunistically important for that new standard to be made accessible to the American people and that we’re believers in that.
But from a pure business model standpoint, I think we would be a bit from our perspective a bit not true to our word if we were too enthusiastic into any near-term business models, because we have stayed close to it. We’ve been very much a frankly one of the founding fathers if you will of Pearl, the consortium that has looked at that. I mean, we continue to do good work for us in the industry.
But from a technical perspective, we’re not talking about putting up points on the board near-term relative to economics. And frankly I think in terms of strategic options as I said before, we look at it like the iPhone as a platform. So if you think of ATSC 3.0 as a platform just like the iPhone, it was other third parties who wrote the programs and the applications that made money off the iPhone. And I’m still bullish that overtime that can happen with ATSC 3.0 as well, but I just can’t — we don’t any see thing on the near-term horizon that we as TEGNA, put a lot of financial stock in it at this time.
James Goss
Do you think the FCC will have to mandate it, as a way to get it done? Or do you think the broadcasters will eventually — or rather the TV makers will eventually agree it’s worthwhile.
Dave Lougee
I think given the FCC and TEGNA this year, I’m not going to opine on the FCC, I’ll leave that be. But I would simply say that — I would say broadcasters have done a pretty good job voluntarily of getting transitions done until date.
We have more stations, we’re transitioning. But I think it remains to be seen how the future plays out relative to the manufacturers and public policy. I think it’s a good question.
James Goss
All right. Thank you very much.
Operator
Our next question comes from the line of Craig Huber with Huber Research Partners.
Craig Huber
Yeah. Hi. It’s Craig Huber. Good morning.
Victoria Harker
Craig, we miss you.
Dave Lougee
We miss you.
Craig Huber
Hey. A couple of follow-ups guys, you mentioned 4Q ad trends improving sequentially versus what you saw in the third quarter here. I’m curious, like categories are there any categories in the current quarter that are significantly doing better this quarter than what you saw in the third quarter. But maybe you could also touch on National in particular.
Victoria Harker
Yeah. So — did you just say National in particular, Craig, let me just double check on what you asked.
Craig Huber
Yeah. Yeah. What I like to hear what categories are doing materially better than this quarter so far versus what you saw in the third quarter
Victoria Harker
Fourth versus third?
Dave Lougee
Yeah. I think the trends are pretty similar, Craig. We looked at those yesterday. I don’t think the bottom-line with those performers in third of the performance and fourth, I’m not certainly seen any major variances to speak up.
Craig Huber
Okay. Great and my other question given the two strikes in Hollywood ones still ongoing here. I’m just curious the lead-in that you guys have your late-night news, is there any impact there on your ad revenues materially at all that you’ve seen so far?
Dave Lougee
No. Good question, Craig. No. Because really that — that the scripted drama as a good lead into the late news sort of went away a few years ago with time shifting. So our economics have not been based on.
Network Prime is a very small piece of our total company revenue. And for a lead-in standpoint there’s really two worlds. On the East and West Coast where the majority of our stations in revenue is not, what the majority of other companies are probably that’s an 11 o’clock news period.
And that’s been affected some time ago, where that 11 o’clock news might have been a big number 20, 30 years ago, that’s been sort of eaten away gradually over the last 50 years probably accelerate over the last 5 to 10. So that’s not in our model our 10:00 news cast in our Central and Rocky zones, think all of Texas and in the Midwest, in Minneapolis and Saint Louis in those markets, and in the Rocky Mountains, I think Phoenix and Denver, et cetera. Those are the 10:00 time period and that’s not affected by timeshares basically people are up in awake. So even though a scripted show may or may not be watched in a linear fashion where our news is strong, we still get good ratings. So no there’s really no trend there relative to that.
So to your question about the strike, even if scripted shows are in reruns in the 9 — call it the 9:00 time period in the Central and 10:00 time period in the East and West, I don’t think that’s going to have much effect on us per se. And I think it will also put the networks to getting more — generally speaking, I won’t talk about any specific more innovative around more the type of program that works better on linear like sports does but also event-type programming, think the Voice-Over the years or Dancing with the Stars, call it reality/event programming, that’s less susceptible to time shifting that people like to watch as an event, which is really a specific hallmark continues to be a broadcast.
Craig Huber
And my final question, network of prime time what percent of your ad revenue is that maybe coming into this year?
Dave Lougee
Hold on that.
Victoria Harker
Prime-time revenue for the total company, Craig is about 4%, if you’re talking just advertising, it would be in the low-teens percent.
Craig Huber
Okay. Great. Thank you.
Dave Lougee
Thanks, Craig.
Operator
That concludes today’s question-and-answer session. I’d like to turn the call back to Dave Lougee for closing remarks.
Dave Lougee
Thank you. And one final note as we close here. As we indicated last quarter, Victoria will be stepping down year’s end as CFO and Julie will be stepping into that seat after years of preparation. While Victoria will be CFO through the end of the year and will be helping with the transition through spring of next year, this will be her last is earnings call with us and I want to take this public opportunity to thank her for all she’s done here at TEGNA and for our shareholders over many, many years.
Victoria Harker
Thank you, Dave. And it’s been my pleasure to serve and support and TEGNA for almost 12 years, 70 earnings calls later over my career. This is a momentous occasion for me, but I am very, very confident and proud of the team, Julie in particular, but the rest of the finance team. And I’ll be around clapping from the stands.
Dave Lougee
Thanks Victoria. With that, thanks everyone for taking the time to join us today and listening in if you have additional questions please reach out to Julie at 703-873-6401. Thanks everyone.
Operator
This concludes today’s conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.
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